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	<title>Comments on: ONA takes 5 steps forward, 1 step back</title>
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		<title>By: Aron Pilhofer</title>
		<link>http://www.journerdism.com/index.php/the-online-news-association-takes-makes-change/comment-page-1/#comment-29946</link>
		<dc:creator>Aron Pilhofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 10:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will:

I&#039;m doing the Rails training here at ONA, and just to correct Derek slightly, it was our suggestion to do Rails and not Django. It was ONA&#039;s decision, but our suggestion.

At the risk of fanning the flames of this stupid Coke/Pepsi debate (we&#039;re above that, right?), the reason is that while more newspaper websites use Django, far far more websites period use Rails. (Also, a good number of news websites use Rails too, FYI -- the AP, LA Times, AJC and the NYTimes of course just to name three I know of.)

We thought it would be a better sell at ONA than Django, and so far so good: We have 20 registered and a waiting list of 10. This is our first time doing this session, so if it turns out that Django is what people actually want, we&#039;ll switch -- no problems there.

I have no personal preference when it comes to teaching. I&#039;ve have helped teach Django at each of the last three IRE conferences, and will be teaching a three-day Django bootcamp in March at IRE. So, I&#039;m a fan of both.

Just so you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m doing the Rails training here at ONA, and just to correct Derek slightly, it was our suggestion to do Rails and not Django. It was ONA&#8217;s decision, but our suggestion.</p>
<p>At the risk of fanning the flames of this stupid Coke/Pepsi debate (we&#8217;re above that, right?), the reason is that while more newspaper websites use Django, far far more websites period use Rails. (Also, a good number of news websites use Rails too, FYI &#8212; the AP, LA Times, AJC and the NYTimes of course just to name three I know of.)</p>
<p>We thought it would be a better sell at ONA than Django, and so far so good: We have 20 registered and a waiting list of 10. This is our first time doing this session, so if it turns out that Django is what people actually want, we&#8217;ll switch &#8212; no problems there.</p>
<p>I have no personal preference when it comes to teaching. I&#8217;ve have helped teach Django at each of the last three IRE conferences, and will be teaching a three-day Django bootcamp in March at IRE. So, I&#8217;m a fan of both.</p>
<p>Just so you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://www.journerdism.com/index.php/the-online-news-association-takes-makes-change/comment-page-1/#comment-29437</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bryan   Strangely, I don&#039;t really mind the emails too much.

@Tom   Thanks for commenting and clearing up that ONA members can attend the job fair for free without registering for the convention, I&#039;ve corrected it above. 

Regarding the meals/costs, I understand the challenges organizers of these events face. I&#039;ve been involved in managing several conventions like this (not exactly this size, but close). I don&#039;t know ONA&#039;s budget or how they&#039;re managing things but as long as your fiscally responsible and not catering everyone&#039;s meals, if you line up a handful of corporate sponsors and you get a good deal on the hotel -- it&#039;s very easy to not loose money on events like this. In other major journalism organizations, the award entry fees alone usually cover most of these kind of events. But again, I don&#039;t know ONA&#039;s numbers, just what I&#039;ve experienced.

I guess my (and I&#039;m assuming others) fundamental challenge is, if one hotel charges you a &#039;discount&#039; of $259 a night for a room and $125 for a single meal, maybe there&#039;s a better hotel option out there. We don&#039;t have to be at *THE* premier HIlton in absolute heart of the nation&#039;s capitol. I&#039;m staying at The Hilton Garden Inn, a few blocks away and it&#039;s less than half the price of the conference hotel.

What&#039;s done is done for this convention and again, please understand I think you guys have a done a great job! Thank you for your hard work and please keep listening to member&#039;s thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bryan   Strangely, I don&#8217;t really mind the emails too much.</p>
<p>@Tom   Thanks for commenting and clearing up that ONA members can attend the job fair for free without registering for the convention, I&#8217;ve corrected it above. </p>
<p>Regarding the meals/costs, I understand the challenges organizers of these events face. I&#8217;ve been involved in managing several conventions like this (not exactly this size, but close). I don&#8217;t know ONA&#8217;s budget or how they&#8217;re managing things but as long as your fiscally responsible and not catering everyone&#8217;s meals, if you line up a handful of corporate sponsors and you get a good deal on the hotel &#8212; it&#8217;s very easy to not loose money on events like this. In other major journalism organizations, the award entry fees alone usually cover most of these kind of events. But again, I don&#8217;t know ONA&#8217;s numbers, just what I&#8217;ve experienced.</p>
<p>I guess my (and I&#8217;m assuming others) fundamental challenge is, if one hotel charges you a &#8216;discount&#8217; of $259 a night for a room and $125 for a single meal, maybe there&#8217;s a better hotel option out there. We don&#8217;t have to be at *THE* premier HIlton in absolute heart of the nation&#8217;s capitol. I&#8217;m staying at The Hilton Garden Inn, a few blocks away and it&#8217;s less than half the price of the conference hotel.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s done is done for this convention and again, please understand I think you guys have a done a great job! Thank you for your hard work and please keep listening to member&#8217;s thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Regan</title>
		<link>http://www.journerdism.com/index.php/the-online-news-association-takes-makes-change/comment-page-1/#comment-29435</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Regan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to clear up one thing about what I read above: the $125 ticket to the awards banquet. 

I can appreciate the frustration expressed here. Unfortunately, we can&#039;t charge any less for a banquet meal than the hotel charges. I could buy a Porsche for less. Believe me, I wish I could charge $12 per dinner. But that&#039;s not gonna get you much at any hotel large enough to host this conference. Maybe two hors d&#039;ouvres - seriously. That $125 is a break even price.

My job as executive director is to work with Amy Webb (this year) to get a create a really good conference -- which she has most assuredly done - and to not lose money. Because if you lose money on conferences, sooner or later you can&#039;t hold them any more.

I also want to correct thing I saw above. ONA members can also attend the job fair for free. The only cost is to those folks who aren&#039;t ONA members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to clear up one thing about what I read above: the $125 ticket to the awards banquet. </p>
<p>I can appreciate the frustration expressed here. Unfortunately, we can&#8217;t charge any less for a banquet meal than the hotel charges. I could buy a Porsche for less. Believe me, I wish I could charge $12 per dinner. But that&#8217;s not gonna get you much at any hotel large enough to host this conference. Maybe two hors d&#8217;ouvres &#8211; seriously. That $125 is a break even price.</p>
<p>My job as executive director is to work with Amy Webb (this year) to get a create a really good conference &#8212; which she has most assuredly done &#8211; and to not lose money. Because if you lose money on conferences, sooner or later you can&#8217;t hold them any more.</p>
<p>I also want to correct thing I saw above. ONA members can also attend the job fair for free. The only cost is to those folks who aren&#8217;t ONA members.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Murley</title>
		<link>http://www.journerdism.com/index.php/the-online-news-association-takes-makes-change/comment-page-1/#comment-29433</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Murley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think Tom Regan has done a great job, he&#039;s been a little heavy with the e-mails, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think Tom Regan has done a great job, he&#8217;s been a little heavy with the e-mails, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I see no reason why Rails and Django can&#039;t be done in the same session. They have a lot of similarities.

But anyway, I came to comment on the awards banquet dinner. I agree, $125 for what amounts to a $12 catered meal smack of price gouging. I&#039;m not sure whose making those kinds of decisions, but they&#039;re really unfair. And ludicrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I see no reason why Rails and Django can&#8217;t be done in the same session. They have a lot of similarities.</p>
<p>But anyway, I came to comment on the awards banquet dinner. I agree, $125 for what amounts to a $12 catered meal smack of price gouging. I&#8217;m not sure whose making those kinds of decisions, but they&#8217;re really unfair. And ludicrous.</p>
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